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November 12, 2008



I agree that people were uninformed on what this proposition actually meant. I had several intense conversations about 8 at work, at a community center in SF, all black and/or latino. Most folks that I talked to who voted yes, didn't even know what the prop said. I think the churches unfortunately did a good job of getting the word out about voting yes. One devout christian friend of mine knew only to vote for Barack Obama, Yes on 8, and No on H (city owned power). I think he left the rest of the ballot blank.

I tried to get folks to understand that writing discrimination into the constitution is wrong, and relate it to 2/3 of person or suffrage rights. People were caught up in other issues in their mind. Perhaps to me it's more of a legal (rights) issue than a moral judgment on sexual orientation.

Some folks had bought into the lie sponsored by the Mormon church that gay marriage would be mandated to be taught in kindergarten. There's a Buju Banton video online where he repeats this lie, and then he calls Sponge Bob a Battyman.

But Barack said we're not gonna get there overnight.


Hey Boima, sounds about right, the "Yes on 8" forces organized better and more focused than the "No on 8." It always comes down to "community organizing," don't it?

Sponge Bob a battyman? Damn.

Michael R in Brooklyn

Thanks Carolina for this reminder that some folks who live in the gay white ghettos need... I think the folks I know in CA (mostly gay and white BTW) were so shocked at the loss that they are reaching out for a scapegoat and CNN obliged with their faulty polling analysis.
I also think that even though we've been embroiled in 40+ years of fighting for our queer rights, we kinda thought that this one would come down on our side based upon decency. Unfortunately, the other side didn't play fair - nor should we have expected them to. It's easy for us to blame the gay leadership for having imperfect pitch when it comes to reaching out to the Black and Latino media markets, but the real truth is that it takes more than a PR and ad campaign. It means actually having created connections and alignments between communities. And the fact is that the gay community has always been a bit lacking in the progressive political sphere when it didn’t involve their interests.
The other folks who bear some of the blame are the LGBT Latinos and African Americans who are not out in their families, churches, and communities. But let’s face it – why would these folks even care about marriage if they’re not out. They’re not likely to get married to a person of the same sex anyway. Homophobia in communities of color IS an issue. But baby steps! People are not feeling safe enough to tell mom or grandpa they’re queer, they sure aren’t gonna have a damn wedding!


I agree with you entirely, Michael. It's not that I want to say that there is no homophobia problem within brown/black communities. But because it's all complicated, all the more reason to not rely on a campaign, as you say, but to do the work all the time. Thanks for dropping by.

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